E-Pao! Incident - Re-Rejoinder to What's in a name?

Re-Rejoinder to What's in a name?
Yumnam Kirani Singh

We are just studying the facts. There is no need of being a passionate or impassionate reader. We have to analyse to everything its pros and cons, its reasonability, its applicability and so on. We should not blindly follow others style or culture, without knowing what prompts them to follow that particular style? We must also study the possible impacts we may have. And if any what would be its magnitude, negligible or considerable? First of all, before we adopting the nomalculture Name Surname, we must study what are its strong points, its weak points? its impact on our language construct and its applicability.

"Bill Clinton, Bill Gates, Asok Singhal, Pravin Togadia etc, follow this" should not be the basis for adopting something. Before adoptating it, study of the reason why they adopted it is of utmost important. Ranjan Yumnam didn't made any study of it and its impact on our language construct.

"We have our own unique more advanced nomenclature, Why should we change for an inferior one?"

Ranjan desparately tried to defend himself that by writing his name as Ranjan Yumnam, he is not mayangnising his full name. His defensive point is that western countries also follow the same nomenclature. But how strong and effective his point is to defend him? Where is he staying? He is in Delhi. What is the nomenclature of delhi people? Name followed by Surname. Ranjan is staying in Delhi and following the same nomenclature as those of Delhi people. He is claiming that his style is not that of delhi one but of american one. Who will believe this? Induction occurs most stongly between two nearest objects. Distant objects has less inductive power than nearer objects. Your claim that writing meitei names as Name Surname format is not a mayangnised one is not supportable in any ground. Because we don't have that much close contact with western people as we do with mayangs.

The Sun and the stars have light. How powerfull or big a star may be, but we get light from the sun because of its proximity to us, not from distant stars.

So no sane man will say that writing Name Surname style is induced to us by western influence. All will say that it is the induced to us from mayang influence as we are closer to them. That is the reason why I wrote Ranjan Yumnam is a mangnaised style. If you are nearer to western countries, I could have said that is a westernised style.

In 2, Ranjan have mentioned that "Sacrificing cultural identity for gender identification is not only foolish but also very unpatriotic".

It is a meaningless prank. Gender identifier is not a measure of one's patrioitism. Our cultural identity has nothing to do with the gender identification. The love of one's culture or bithplace is inherent quality of everybody. It has nothing to do with the name or gender identifier. If one thinks so, that is a mere imagination.

In 3, Ranjan mentioned, "But forcing Singhs, Devis, Kumars, etc., to our names is an insult to ourselves and reeks of cultural imperialistic dominance by mayangs." This I suppose, is really irrelevant. There is no law in Manipur or in India to force people put singhs, devis or kumars etc. I don't know in which part of Manipur people are enfored to put singhs or devis in their names. I don't understand what is meant by the cultural imperalistic dominance by Mayangs? In no point of time, culturally we were never dominated by anybody , except in this modern eras when our boys use to wear trousers and our girls to salwars, etc. Rasa Lila is an example of our cultural prominance over the mayangs.

With regard to 4th point, I won't be able to answer who said that. Because those were not said during our times. Also I don't know whether historically there is any record reconing the time, date and event of saying all those. But that is the general notion, some old folk used to say, varifiacation of it may need some efforts. "Do we need to prove a point to the mayangs that we are as able as them? Doesn’t this point to a feeling of inner inferiority complex in us?". If the situation arises,we should prove that we are not only as able as them but superior to them. This is not to create inferiority complex but to create the superiority complex.

"Have you met any mayang adding Meitei in their names to tell us he is as capable as us, the Manipuris? "

Mayang names do not use a gender-identifier. If they had one's, who knows they might have used some meiteis fancy words in their names. ( Pointless Joke).

The point number 5, will meet some criticism. Curiosity of people's name comes only for famous/prominent peosonalities. Nobody cares for Henry Clinton, but Bill Clinton because the later was the president of a country. Nobody cares for Rammohon Gandhi, but Sonia Gandhi beacuse the later is the opposition leader in indian parliament. What I want to say is that curiosity of one's name is realted with his personality. If you are not a prominent figure, even if you shout to the top of your voice you are from Manipur, nobody would pay attention to you or to your origins. For example,People would like to know more of Dinko Singh than Ranjan Yumnam, because the former was an asian well known boxer. If they wan't to know more about Dinko Singh, ultimately they will search the origin of Dingko Singh and know Manipur. This clearly shows that adding Singh or Devi does not put any hindrance to the introduction of Manipur to the outside world. In other words, what matter most to the introduction of Manipur to the outside world is not our name but our personality.

As regards point number 6, I would rather say, we don't write or say our surnames in abbreviated form in meiteilon. We don't write Yum Ranjan (Yum for Yumnam). But we do write something like as Wai Ranjan. But Wai is not a word of meitlon. When we write or say in meiteilon, we always proounce the full sagei.

Let us consider the following. Ranjan is talking to Rajseh. Suddenly somebody from inside a house, asked. Rajesh, "Nganglido kanano?" If Rajesh is not a family member of Ranjan, nor the the asker is not closely known to Ranjan, the answer may be any one of this. Yumnam gi Ta Ranjan nida. (If Rajesh is junior to Ranjan) Yumnam (gi) Ranjan nida ( If Rajesh and Ranjan are of same age) Yumnam gi Mama Ranjan nida (If Ranjan is the uncle of Rajesh) and so on, we cannot ignore or abbreviate yumnam here. We can't give the reply like this Y. gi Ranjan nida (Y for Yumnam) or Wai gi Ranjan nida Or We hardly say, Ta Ranjan Yumnam nida.

This is where the importance of surnames come in our names and language. Your common sense fails to think of this. Ok no problem, at least your brain comes out something good or bad, that is a good sign.

"How long shall we live under the shadows of mayang’s cultural imperialism?". Culturally we are much ahead of Mayangs and independent, No meitei is being forced by mayangs to follow any of their term like cultural imperialism sounds funny.

For me, if one is born as a meitei, he/she is always a meitei, regardless of which gender-identifier one uses. So far as our basic structure is preserved, it is not of much concern whether one uses singh or yaingang as gender identifier. I think it is not right to make such statements as " No Singhs, Devis please, we are Manipuris " , sounds to be more fanatic. Let them use who want to use, let them drop who don't want to use. We should respect the personal freedom of choice and mutual non-interfarence. Rather we should concrened more about how to become a responsible citizen of Manipur.

Any way, let's see some computational advantages of our nomenclature as well. Suppose one wants to develope a Meiteilon-English translator. Using gender-idnetifiers would make the machine translator program more easier to write. Let's us consider the case of translation from meiteilon to english. "Avatar Kaur ngarang laklammi. Mahak yamna wang chaoyi." mahida "mahak" haibasi machinena handokpa matamda he haigdra natraga she haigadra? As there is no gender idenfier in the name, we can't say whether the name avatar is a male name or a female name. To know that, we have to maintain at least two lists, one consisting of possible male names and other consisting of female names. Then, we will search whether the name avatar is in the male database or female list. If the name is found in male's list we will replace the 'mahak' with 'he'. if the name is in the female lists, we will replace the 'mahak' with 'she'. Avatar is basically the name of a male. Also suppose the male list also has the name Avatar. Then we will have to replace the above 'mahak' with 'he'. Actually the name Avatar Kaur is the name of a female, mother of indian cricket player Harbhajan Singh. So inspite maintining lists for possible names of male and female, there still is the possiblity of wrong gender translation, if there are no gender identifier. If we had used the the gender-identifiers in the names, we can directly translate mahak to he or she by from the gender identifier of the name. This is just a simple example there may be many more. For example, sorting data based on gender difference.

I think I have written too far. Readers may feel boring reading all these tasteless sentences. Thanks, Ranjan Yumnam for bringing up such an intersting topic and his good way of expression.

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